Sadie’s Thoughts on Cheating. Confession #507

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Posted on : 08-29-2010 | By : Sadie Smythe | In : open marriage

Cheating has been on my mind lately for a number of reasons. The revolutionary new book, Sex at Dawn has just been released, and it contains very strong historical and biological evidence that suggests that human beings are not designed for monogamy. I have made it my mission this week to read all that Christopher Ryan, one of the book’s authors, has published on the Internet; and in his writings, he offers very persuasive explanations to the reason people cheat. I have an idea as to why some people cheat because, a couple of years ago I was involved with two men, both of whom were cheating on their wives.

When in mixed company, if I offer up this particular piece of information, I am of course, more often than not, met with squinted eyes; the kind of eyes that convey judgment of the most condemning kind. The eyes that, in those instances, preternaturally brand my bosom with the vermillion A that my behavior (in their squinted eyes,) positively warrants for my participation in betrayal of such towering proportions.

But, my eyes see it differently.

People cheat for many reasons. Because sex is one of the main components of infidelity, we can assume that people cheating is about fucking other people – be it to get off, to get intimacy, or to get some sort of control over their lives. People cheat sometimes because they have a natural, biological urge to have sex with someone other than their spouse; or, as in the case of the many married or attached people out there whose significant others aren’t giving it up at all – those people cheat because they have a natural urge to have sex with someone, anyone at all. This happens more often than you think. The married man I was involved with, Charles, was fucking me for this exact reason. Trent, a married man that I still text with and phone fuck on occasion hasn’t fucked his wife in 17 months because she is punishing him for giving into that biological urge in the first place. In addition to reading Christopher Ryan, I have also been reading the incredibly straightforward, no holds barred sex advice columns of Dan Savage. The man is a genius with an ability to tell it fucking straight, and I have found that I agree with his viewpoint on practically every front. His take on monogamous relationships is – if you are in a relationship with someone where the sex was great in the beginning, if the person involved led you to believe that sex would be an ongoing piece of your relationship’s equation, and then suddenly the sex stops, then you have a biological and natural right to go get your needs met somewhere else.

I totally, 100% agree.

Is it best to do that with the consent of your partner? Absolutely. Is that realistic? No, not so fucking much.

Because we live in a society that holds marriage and long-term commitment in such hypocritical reverence that it disallows two people who deeply, poignantly love each other the opportunity to broadcast that love based on their genders. In this society it is also assumed that monogamy must be upheld inside the relationship construct despite the extremely high infidelity rate which more often than not, results in broken families; the very families whose institution this society strives to protect by refusing to recognize same sex marriage.

And so it is because of this backward-ass thinking that men and women, when they come to the inevitable crossroads in their relationships, will either be afraid of or will not think to discuss with their partner the idea of actually talking about what other options they might have. And I say inevitable because it is certain that they will come to a point where they will ask themselves – Is this it? Stay with a person long enough, and there will come a time that it is necessary to reevaluate the relationship. It’s just the law of the nature of relationships. It seems that most people, and certainly the ones who cheat, do that reevaluating on their own, instead of with their partner. They have recognized the crossroads, which may have turned into a chasm by then -a seemingly hopeless hollow- and this may incite them to stray. This chasm is (without extremely mindful and diligent communication) almost bound to happen; values clash, hurtful words are hurled, spirits become bruised, intimacy ceases, resentments are built, and the damage is done. And once this chasm has occurred, it can feel immense, irreparable, irreconcilable … impossible to overcome.

And once it feels impossible to overcome, it feels impossible to talk about with the person who’s in that chasm with you.

Seems strange, doesn’t it? Because if you were stuck in an actual chasm, instead of a metaphorical one, such as a deep mine 2,300 feet underground, with someone that you loved, the chances are that this traumatic experience would bond you inextricably. Weathering such an ordeal together would solidify a camaraderie that would forever link you. But then, if you were trapped 2,300 feet underground together for any length of time, you’d talk to each other. And you’d talk about the things that are important. Like your relationship.

But, because our society is so fucking hell bent on imposing the value system of Keep your pants zipped, your chastity belts fastened, your eyes to the ground, and your hands to yourself, (in the midst of a booming, gazillion dollar porn industry – figure that one out) it doesn’t feel comfortable for most people to say to their significant others, Hey, I love you, but this isn’t working for me. What can we do so that we can both be happy?

So they fuck around because their bodies crave the intimacy and they cross their fingers and hope against hope that they won’t get found out. And when they do get discovered (because they almost always do) they and the people they cheated with become destined to be forever greeted with the squinty eyes of judgment and condemnation and slandered with scarlet letter A’s.

But luckily, voices like that of Dan Savage and books like Christopher Ryan’s Sex at Dawn threaten to undo this rampant, outdated, and ultimately injurious mindset by raising awareness that sex is a fundamental piece of our humanness, and that monogamy is a behavioral choice, not an absolute, cultural imperative.

And I will remember these words (just a small piece of a lengthy missive,) which arrived in my inbox just yesterday from Charles, who is on the threshold of an amicable divorce, and whom I had not heard from in some time –

It was you, Sadie, who first jumpstarted what had not been, and let me go to places that made me realize I had to go there and stay in those places … Part of what you showed me is that I really did need much more in my life. There are different paths to freedom. I have spent most of my marriage trying to fill in the gaps. Freedom for me was actually realizing then I had to stop all of the things that may have looked like freedom but were actually making it harder to find myself… I owe great deal to you, Sadie. I really do.

Interestingly, Charles found his path to freedom by becoming involved with me; by cheating on his wife with me. He realized that true intimacy was something that he not only needed, but profoundly deserved. And now he has that with someone who loves him (and who fucks him) as he is wholly entitled to be.

So, you see, I am not the wearer of bar sinister here.

And this is why I see things differently… and not through squinted eyes.

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Comments (22)

“you have a biological and natural right to go get your needs met somewhere else.” — AMEN!!

No squinted eyes here! Though when I breeched this explanation to hubby it was met with his squinty eyes and he has since branded my A in my sleep, while trying to keep me satisfied…at least he has been warned.

This is all very wise, Sadie. As you show, sex is so often just a route to intimacy. But because the sexual bond weakens over time in almost all marriages, and we’re in denial about the reality of that, many of us lose the intimacy in our marriages. Trapped in a mine shaft, we’d communicate with each other and find that while sex led us to the intimacy, the essence of our intimacy isn’t necessarily sexual. Human beings: the species that shoots itself in the foot.

I agree with you completely here.

Oddly enough, I have experienced something similar to your times with Trent/Charles, and I am only 19 years old. And that is a messy story for other reasons, and wow. But yeah.

Not only is he, this guy I just mentioned, not having his emotional needs met…but he is having them destroyed, poisoned, and all around harmed. It was a miracle that I glimpsed the true him, because they seem to be pretty much lost thanks to her.

They are open when apart, but grudgingly, probably so she can torment him. Because he is NOT capable of being monogamous. If I was the one with him, well, I’d be perfect for him, because I doubt I could be monogamous, either.

This is a topic that weighs rather heavily on my mind. Something I’ve contemplated extensively and while it’s difficult to separate defensive rationalization from actual reasoning I agree with you in large part. People who use sex as a weapon or tool are far more morally suspect than adulterers in my mind, yet more socially acceptable?

And beyond that, even if you don’t actively withold sex, it’s not unreasonable to
Suppose that people exist on different spectrums of sexual drive. For the lowest drive person to arbitrarily by the limiters is not only unfair, it’s irrational. And as I’ve said before is the only avenue of social life where such an expectation holds near universal sway.

Finally, somewhat tangentially, I think part of the problem, like so many problems, is the way we talk about it. I had a friend who recently divorced his wife because of some possible infidelity. He kept telling me’ that ‘he couldn’t trust her.’. But would tell me’ how everyone at work and the gym agreed with him. And all I could think was that his, and I think most peoples problem, has little to do with trust and everything to do with pride. Am I special? Am I unique? Those are the questions that people want answered not whether they can trust you. I’f his wife had been disappearing for evenings to get drunk or high as an addict, she’d have been infinitely less trustworthy, yet the near immediate decision to seek divorce wouldn’t have likely been a consideration…unless she happened to fuck someone while drunk.

I suit once we as a society accept what really makes us angry about this topic we’ll be muchore capable of feeling with it.

I just started reading The Ethical Slut so already have these ideas floating in my head. Thanks for taking the time to blog about all this – the one about responsibility, too – because it’s given me a lot to think about, as well, and I haven’t had the lusty privilege of sexing you ;-}

xoxo
Jess

Well said Sadie! I would say that you, as the other woman, should not be judged at all. In my opinion, what those men do outside their marriage is between them and their spouses. I would guess they are going to find someone to be with no matter if you were there or not so it might as well be you.

I was with a married woman once and it was on of the best experiences of my life. Of course, maybe I’m just trying to rationalize my own choices but I really do think that if anyone is to be judged it is the person who is not communicating with their spouse. After all, Sadie, your husband knew exactly what you were doing so you’re good in my book.

There is a cousin brother of mine… who has recently been caught cheating on her wife, he is in a sexual relation with a girl who works in a call center in the capital where he use to visit for work (as he use to say at home). His wife meanwhile , the girl whom he was in a courtship with, and whom he actually persuaded to marry inspite of her parents disapproval to their relation initially, was back at home, trying to raise the little girl, whom she has just given birth, an year ago… she is a very homely girl, a very caring person, and in a process to be a very caring mother…

what is her fault?
can any biological fuckin analysis define…the bastard acts of my cousin brother… ?? my sister in law, is literally crying to death, she is giving it all for their marriage…and is ready to forget his acts, and move on somehow to give their daughter, a family.. but that bastard wants a divorce now!
what was her fault? Is cheating good still, cos we are sex loving biological creatures or some other bullshit…can u still justify it?

I hate to speak for anyone else, but I’m nearly certain her point was not that all cheating was okay or acceptable. Nor that all behavior was justified by sexual biological drives.

thank you for another great piece Sadie.
@Lustylover How can your sister-in-law justify staying in the marriage? there are plenty of families who give their children what they need. those families happen to be divorced…. and happily divorced I might add. Maybe the relationship has run is changing and the cheating is a sign of that. Out of anything why isn’t she telling him to f-off?

I was recently involved in a fling, of sorts, with a married male friend of mine. Initially, I avoided it for the sake of my marriage and his, but after my husband and I decided to take a hiatus, I felt nothing holding me back. I looked at it this way: If I can barely keep the shit together in my own marriage, I’m sure as fuck not going to try to concern myself with his marriage. Isn’t that his job?

I think the notion of worrying about “controlling yourself” with someone else’s husband is lot to ask for. I think it’s a throwback to the idea that men are incapable of controlling themselves in when it comes to pretty ladies, with their intoxicating perfume and long eyelashes…. that they just can’t help themselves. Well, I say bullshit. Let them worry about their marriages, and let’s worry about ourselves.

I would like to add that I have a huge problem for a wife (although this could apply with the husband as well of course) to blame the other woman for her husband’s infidelity. Rather recently I was attacked in that exact situation. But I am sorry, unless the other woman and the wife are friends, it is not a problem between them, but one between husband and wife, and husband and mistress, because those are the relationships involved.

I think when it comes to cheating, the biggest divide is between those who have been the cheater and those who have been cheated.

As one of the cheated, I find it hard to be, I don’t know, fatalistic about being cheated. It’s horrible.

I often wish there was more information about open relationships rather than dishonest cheating.

Icewriath, I agree with you. There isn’t really much out there about open relationships (apart from my blog and a handful of books)

Let me ask you this, what would you like to hear about with regards to open relationships? I would be happy to consider addressing any concept you are interested in hearing about from the perspective of a person in an open relationship.

And, in terms of my post, ultimately Charles was honest with his wife about his relationship with me. It just took some time for him to get there (and that was the problem). I think he definitely learned that he was wrong in not being upfront from the beginning. I really do feel that if there was more awareness about this lifestyle, more people would have conversations about what their needs and/or desires are.

xo~

Sadie

Its amazing how religious beliefs & moral values can shade our view of sexuality, love & life.

Your straight-shooting approach to sex & marriage is refreshing. I, like many (thank God), have been forced to venture outside my marriage to satisfy a thirst that couldn’t be quenched by my husband. It feels soooo good to know I’m not alone.
Thank you..

personally, i think cheating is lame and its for cowards. and if a woman is with a married man and knows he is married then she is just as lame. I don’t think cheating is wrong for moral reasons…i think its bad because its hurting your spouse (or bf/gf) on purpose. There are no mistakes in relationships, there are only choices. This whole “humans’ are hard wire for monogamy is crap. There is no such thing as human nature…thats what separates us from animals, we get to choose what we do. cheating is wrong because its physically dangerous ( if my wife cheated on me and gave me an incurable std I would sue her pants off…to me that is the same thing as intentionally trying to physically harm me.) #2 it takes away from my choice of being in the kind of relationship I want to be in (assuming she keeps it a secret.) Lies are NEVER ok and you cant lie and cheat and call yourself a good person it just doesn’t work that way to me. I understand that at a certain point in relationships people want stray and thats ok. as long as they are up front about it. If my S.O. came up to me and said “My desire to have sex with other people is over powering my desire to stay faithful to you.” I would set her free. Its ok to want to leave or to want other people but its NEVER ok to cheat. You are the sum of your choices..if you choose to cheat and lie then you are a cheater and liar. If a woman I loved told me she wanted out or wanted other people before cheated then I would probably be sad for a long time. But at least she respected me and didnt hurt me on purpose. That is why I like reading about Sadies blog. You seem to be able to live for your desires without hurting anybody because you go about address them the right way. Thats what I want…a woman who always does the right thing…no matter what…with no compromises because that what I do.

meant to say….that saying that humans are not hardwired for monogamy is crap. and if human nature is a part of it then monogamy is a much a natural desire as sleeping around is.

and my heartbreaking over being cheated on has nothing to do with society.

I have to stick up for “the other woman” myself. (Or other man, as the case may be.) Sure, it might not be the best decision ever to screw around with a married man, but that’s a minor fault compared to lying to your wife. And in modern society, sadly, it’s often the only alternative. Fuckin’ modern society.

Off the subject perhaps. But I think Reader is giving humans much to much credit for having a brain. A big whopping brain it’s true. That has done some wonderfully rational things like medicines and electricity. But also poison gas and religious fanatics. I respect his own self control. Bully for him. But I think we are much more animals that react to stimuli then he is willing to accept.

When your lover kisses your neck and you get that whiff of their smell, every rational neuron in your brain can shut off for a good long time. Hell I want this to happen!

Human nature is human nature. There is nothing wrong with admitting we are thinking animals that have the same desires and evolutionary imperatives like any other animal. Sometimes we can turn them off with the bit of our brains that can be rational. But I will not be the first one to blame anyone for not being able to do that.

Do I wish everyone could be open and honest? Do I wish we were all Good, Giving, and Game? Of course. But I won’t judge someone as Lame or a Coward because I don’t live their lives or walk in their shoes.

I would suggest you don’t either.

Cheers
A

I think it is extremely hard to have the discussion about opening up your marriage with a man you love and who loves you back. And if the only reason for lack of sexual intimacy is because he is sick.

In those cases, wouldn’t cheating to fulfil your needs be far more superior than burdening him with another area where he feels inadequate? What he doesn’t know can’t hurt him?

OMG, this is me, the whole thing applies to me and I agree with all of it.

And openly discussing the alternatives is no so fucking easy like you say, I would add to that, sometimes open discussion is fucking impossible.

I think I love you ;)

I think there are three kinds of cheaters – those who cheat because they feel entitled to do whatever they want, perhaps they are in a position that supports this attitude (ie-Tiger Woods) or they are just self-centered enough to not care enough about how their betrayal will hurt their partners. Then there are those who cheat because they are lacking something in their primary relationship, be it sex or intimacy or a sense of connection, but are too afraid to talk to their partners about their needs/wants/desires because they fear rejection (as a result of the cultural narrative that “cheating is wrong” and “cheaters should be punished”. Then there are those who just don’t fucking know better; perhaps they are young (or just not very bright) and haven’t learned sexual self-control, and they cheat until they get their asses dumped by the people they have cheated on enough times and learn their lessons.

Human sexuality is so incredibly complex that I actually believe its dangerous to attempt to explicitly exact generalized implications like “cheating is wrong” and that doing so makes one a “coward”. Human behavior either a response to other behaviors (you cheated on me, I’ll divorce you), a result of environmental factors (my father fucked around on my mother, so I can, too), or cultural factors (I’m missing something in my sex life at home, but I am not going to tell my significant other because it’s just “too hard” to have an open dialogue, it’s just easier to cheat) — the truth is that it’s hard because it isn’t done very often. People lie to each other constantly. There is no real precedent for honesty in relationships. It’s difficult because our culture promotes dishonesty and talking around subjects rather than facing them head on.

And unfortunately I don’t have an answer for it beyond what I always say, over and again – talk to your partners. Tell them how you feel, what you want, what you need, what you don’t want, what your fantasies are, and how they are or can be aligned with their own. And be prepared, and willing, to hear their thoughts from them on the same issues. And then do the work that it takes to make your relationship reach its highest potential. None of us can ever realize the huge possibilities that are within us until we are honest with ourselves… and with each other

I just stumbled upon this post and after reading I have to say this is perfect. I am someone who has always fought the ever-present urges to seek more outside of a relationship and when I was cheated, I proposed this very concept because it’s the only thing that makes sense. I completely agree with every bit of content in your post here and I believe it’s truly the bottom line.

Thank you for blogging.

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